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spidergearsman
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the 305 can get cranked up - in h-k-m stock - with a manual trans they run good , set lots of records , but the 350 will be tons less money

I am torn between a 267 , a 305 , a flathead and a rotary
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am torn between a 267 , a 305 , a flathead and a rotary


wtf? how can you tell a 267 form a 305 from outside?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the vortec? usually u can find a complete vortec motor for the same price as the heads.


Picking it up for mere pocket change($15...not a typo, FIFTEEN BUCKS)......said something about a spun main, but not certain how bad.

The block is a foundation, I'll save the crank/rotating assembly if it can be.

If not, stroker time!

Granted, using the later-model block means I can't re-use the intake and oil pan/rocker covers....so I'll just have to buy new stuff. I've started from nothing before...I can do it again.

Got a little taste of power, and now it just ain't enough...I require something more substantial, but a big-block just isn't economically feasible. hence, I stick with the small-blocks.

Jim...the 267 makes me feel good about my bored-out 305....some thing to feel superior to...YAY FOR ME.


Laughing

Depending on if there's a run for me tomorrow, I might go over and put the new lines and such on tonight.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kyhunter89 wrote:
spidergearsman wrote:
I am torn between a 267 , a 305 , a flathead and a rotary


wtf? how can you tell a 267 form a 305 from outside?


easy..
305's have the cid on the side of the block
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

usually on the back left-side.....casting should read 5.0L

267's flat suck out loud....had a former buddy who had one in a '79 Monte Carlo(SpeedJunkee knows who this tool is.....he ended up buying the piece of shit).

His grandfather rebuilt a set of 305 heads for it, slapped'em on, swore up and down it added 75 hp...*hold on, it gets better*......kept trying to tell me he could smoke my base '84 Z28 and GT Mustangs.

With a single exhaust the size of a drinking straw(granted, it got ripped off on a railroad crossing when it was lowered, and the catalytic converter was prone to falling off at any moment...more hilarity), and the stock DuoJet. Swore up and down a Quadrajet would drown it...... Rolling Eyes

Dude got his ass handed to him by a Beretta Indy Pace Car one night....ridiculed him for a week(how'bout that fire-breather NOW, asshole?).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well........shit.


My A/N fittings, filter, braided line and dual-fed carb line kit came in last Friday.......went to test-fit the braided fuel line assembly on the Holley, wouldn't screw into the primary bowl.

WTF...the damn thing's BENT?! Primary bowl fuel-line inlet is taco'ed...everything else is fine, but damn it all.....ready to get it on and sell the Edelbrock carb.....SJ did a bang-up job on the zinc chromate replating, too.

shitshitshitshitshit............ Evil or Very Mad

SJ now refers to my 7 year-old son as his "best salesman"...it was knocked off the shelf when he and his 18-year-old brother was holding B-ball practice in the back room at home.

Coulda strangled both of them at the time...but given the recent health scare we had with the youngest, I got over it just as quick.

New Holley quick-change primary fuel bowl should be in tomorrow(think it came up to around $55....coulda had 2 QuickFuel bowls for like $80-ish through the new speedshop SpeedJunkee works for, but just not crazy about the shiny finish)....then we'll hopefully try again this weekend to get all of this installed, post up some pics.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

post pics now dammit... in progress...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No pics yet guys, Haven't had the time to put the Holley and other goodies on the 315 just yet....... but the new-to-me 350 is now in my possession(they will be coming within the next couple of weeks).

It's a '96, a roller-cam engine from a truck(Vortec, if that makes a difference).....the heads are gone(the friend that GAVE the damn thing to me just wanted the heads), but I want aluminum anyways.

The guy he got it from claimed there was a slight knock, but not certain from where. I'll pull the pan and inspect, see what I have to work with.

Cylinder walls look good, no wear ridge orcarbon build-up...the pistons, while not shiny, are pretty clean...makes me think it's either a low-mileage engine or it enjoyed a (previous) life of good gas and good driving habits.

Not certain on how nasty I'm gonna build it just yet(pump-gas capabilities and will be driven on the street)....it WILL be carbureted for the foreseeable future, but not closing my mind to other options.............opinions/thoughts are welcome!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiresmoke wrote:


It's a '96, a roller-cam engine from a truck(Vortec, if that makes a difference).....the heads are gone(the friend that GAVE the damn thing to me just wanted the heads), but I want aluminum anyways.

The guy he got it from claimed there was a slight knock, but not certain from where. I'll pull the pan and inspect, see what I have to work with.


heck yea, I bet you have a winner there other than the knock issue, I love those 96-98 vortecs... nothing better Cool
but when I heard these went o cash for clunkers I was dismayed.. and when i heard what they were doing to them with some kinda sand in the oil to lock them up I was almost furious.. WTF kinda shit is that?
were in a recession and were going to intentionally destroy perfectly running cars??
brillant, just freakin brilliant..
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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tiresmoke wrote:


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but when I heard these went o cash for clunkers I was dismayed.. and when i heard what they were doing to them with some kinda sand in the oil to lock them up I was almost furious.. WTF kinda shit is that?
were in a recession and were going to intentionally destroy perfectly running cars??
brillant, just freakin brilliant..


hyjack for a minute..
now if I was to write that bill..
I would've taken the turned in cars..
weeded out the truelt shit boxs..
then offered them up, to people with clunkers that couldn't by a new car, but have a clunker that is worse than the one they would like on that lot..
and let them trade up to a better mpg car and get the truely poluting cars off the road,
only requirement would be you trade in a shitbox for one of the cash for clunker cars, but it has to get worse mpg and or oilburning emmission poluter, that is way passed it's usefull life..
and let them trade up for 500.oo and the car they walked in with..

this would het the truely gross poluters off the road..

end hyjack..
p.s. obama's cash for clunkers only helped japans economy (cars) and china's (scrap steel)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no shit, and the ones that were REAL junkers we needed to resell to mexico on top of that Twisted Evil
but seriously, who writes these bills?? I saw the cars they turned in... "clunkers" ... better than 90% of the cars I buy... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We got some screwed up bills being passed. I went to a buddies junkyard and seen some of these cars. Made me think WTF!

But anyways back to the Camaro!
We put the back to holley spec, but added a notched float and jet extensions on the secondary, with a 4.5 power valve.



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

speedjunkee wrote:
We got some screwed up bills being passed. I went to a buddies junkyard and seen some of these cars. Made me think WTF!

But anyways back to the Camaro!
We put the back to holley spec, but added a notched float and jet extensions on the secondary, with a 4.5 power valve.





That carb looks fantastic. I just hide mine under a low profile air cleaner. Hey, at least I can make them run. This also reminds me I need jet extensions and notched floats too.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have those in stock, and you will get the BS discount!



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SJ took pics with his camera-phone, I'll have him add them to this thread...

Mounted the 350 on the stand, and did the autopsy.

The block, maincaps, roller lifter retainer plates, "spider", and cam-retainer plate/bolts are good.

The entire rotating assembly is TRASHED.

Pulled the water jacket plugs, rusty sludgy crap....hadn't been flushed. First sign of neglect.

Rotated the engine back over, pulled the oil drain plug(the engine hadn't been drained prior to being removed from the vehicle it came from)....got a quart and a half of nasty black oil.....had a slight metallic shine to it. Checked the magnetic tip on the drain plug...looked kinda furry. Hmm.....

Put the plug back in, roll it upside-down to pull the pan and dig in.

Zip the pan bolts off, light smack with a rubber mallet...pan comes off.

Large silvery flecks that used to be rod bearings sitting in the front of the pan ahead of the baffle, MASSIVE amounts of silver/gray "sludge" in the sump....shit's at least 3/8" thick, like someone dumped the contents of an Etch-A-Sketch into the pan.

Uh-oh, this can't be good.

Removed the oil pump, pull the gear cover to inspect the gears....Helen Keller could've seen the damage from the trash sucked through the sump.......gee, wonder what the rest of the engine looks like?

Well, I wanted to do a stroker build anyway....


Start rotating the crank, checking rodcaps to find a loose example explaining the "knock" report given when I picked it up.

#1 moves a bit, could jump rope with the play in #2.

I shit you not, there's at least 1/8"(conservatively) neatly machined off of the #1/#2 rod journal, particularly where the #2 rod rides....pics will show the difference(Wish I'd had my micrometer with me..will do a measurement next time I'm over at the shop).

Someone had neglected to check/fill oil levels, oil changes were not part of their routine.....spun the #2 rod bearing, wore down the crank.
Spun#1 as well, spun #2 and #4 main bearings too.

The amounts of crank/bearing "trash" sucked through the system and deposited in the pan are like nothing I've ever encountered...and I've built a lot of engines in my life(mostly Class 8 diesels, but you get my point).

It's a wonder it didn't window the block...a few more moments, and I suspect that would've been the case.
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