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gamble71 Master Fabricator

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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: compression |
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Just did a quick compression calculation on the 402. Using some rough numbers I came up around 10.25:1 which is about what I was guessing. Will that get by on pump gas, or do I need to drop some points? _________________ DieselGeek "wow, that made so much sense. I'm amazed at your awesome-ness" |
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rebeldryver Master Fabricator
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My 454 is running just fine with it. _________________
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gamble71 Master Fabricator

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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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good to know. Don't wanna put it together, just to have it detonate into pieces  _________________ DieselGeek "wow, that made so much sense. I'm amazed at your awesome-ness" |
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rebeldryver Master Fabricator
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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A cam with some overlap will bleed off some cylinder pressure. You can't get crazy with ignition lead time. _________________
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| rebeldryver wrote: | | A cam with some overlap will bleed off some cylinder pressure. You can't get crazy with ignition lead time. |
shouldn't there be some discussion about quench area? some motors can run that much compression on pump, others will detonate way before that... |
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spidergearsman Moderates you!

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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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the more compression - the cooler it sounds
my next car will be 15:1 on methanol
the nova was almost 13:1 _________________

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rebeldryver Master Fabricator
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| dieselgeek wrote: | | rebeldryver wrote: | | A cam with some overlap will bleed off some cylinder pressure. You can't get crazy with ignition lead time. |
shouldn't there be some discussion about quench area? some motors can run that much compression on pump, others will detonate way before that... |
I doubt we can get that far if Gamble is going to use factory heads. You get what you get. Just have to tune around it. _________________
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1fast72nova Rat Rod

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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really need to be looking at the quench... cam size, vehicle weight, gears, intended use etc..  _________________ online auctions free classifieds |
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bowtie6872 Master of Boredom

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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10.2 will be fine if you don't run 2.43 rear gears..
as nothing is blueprinted in his math run(build)
it'll more than likely be 9.8 after all said and done.. |
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gamble71 Master Fabricator

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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well, used information from what I think is the replacement for the pistons I'm running. Apparently TRW piston L4420N is no longer made. Used a speed-pro one that appears to be it's replacement. Anyone find any information that piston? I can't _________________ DieselGeek "wow, that made so much sense. I'm amazed at your awesome-ness" |
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bowtie6872 Master of Boredom

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:37 am Post subject: |
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all piston compression listing ,use the rule
that the heads cc are the same as blueprint (most are bigger that spec)
and deck height is blueprint perfect, same with rod lenth, stroke/etc
if they list 10.2 for 118 cc heads,, it more than likely fall under that,, in a non blueprinted shortblock..
I'm thinking of returning the 10.8's and getting 11.8's |
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| gamble71 wrote: | | well, used information from what I think is the replacement for the pistons I'm running. Apparently TRW piston L4420N is no longer made. Used a speed-pro one that appears to be it's replacement. Anyone find any information that piston? I can't |
gamble, do you get on dipshift.com at all? there are guys there that can give you some real good advice. Camaro Eric, CDMBill, JeffMcKC. "tune around it" seems like a bad plan to me, and I only do tuning LOL. |
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bowtie6872 Master of Boredom

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| dieselgeek wrote: | | gamble71 wrote: | | well, used information from what I think is the replacement for the pistons I'm running. Apparently TRW piston L4420N is no longer made. Used a speed-pro one that appears to be it's replacement. Anyone find any information that piston? I can't |
gamble, do you get on dipshift.com at all? there are guys there that can give you some real good advice. Camaro Eric, CDMBill, JeffMcKC. "tune around it" seems like a bad plan to me, and I only do tuning LOL. |
well.
first he should cc the head.. after the valve job..
and see if the block or heads have ever been "decked" |
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1fast72nova Rat Rod

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| dieselgeek wrote: | | gamble71 wrote: | | well, used information from what I think is the replacement for the pistons I'm running. Apparently TRW piston L4420N is no longer made. Used a speed-pro one that appears to be it's replacement. Anyone find any information that piston? I can't |
gamble, do you get on dipshift.com at all? there are guys there that can give you some real good advice. Camaro Eric, CDMBill, JeffMcKC. "tune around it" seems like a bad plan to me, and I only do tuning LOL. |
are you the one who tuned Jeff's car at the PGD's a couple years ago when he tried FI? _________________ online auctions free classifieds |
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gamble71 Master Fabricator

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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this motor has been recently rebuilt. I'm not going to rebuild the heads, as they already have been. I'll check how far down in the hole, the piston is, but other than checking for damage, and a roller cam, she's just going back together. _________________ DieselGeek "wow, that made so much sense. I'm amazed at your awesome-ness" |
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