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bowtie6872
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| OldUsedParts wrote: | | dieselgeek wrote: | | OldUsedParts wrote: | | dieselgeek wrote: |
Sorry man, but you either need to get some poontang |
?poontang? - - lmao, you are showing your age DG     |
haha I am a child of the 80s |
LOL, wasn't it your generation that "sucked Face?" |
like ,totally,,, gag me with a spoon.. |
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dieselgeek
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| bowtie6872 wrote: | | OldUsedParts wrote: | | dieselgeek wrote: | | OldUsedParts wrote: | | dieselgeek wrote: |
Sorry man, but you either need to get some poontang |
?poontang? - - lmao, you are showing your age DG |
haha I am a child of the 80s |
LOL, wasn't it your generation that "sucked Face?" |
like ,totally,,, gag me with a spoon.. |
hey, at least I got, and get, laid. |
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bowtie6872
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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haha.
in the 80's anyone could get laid..
untill the news media feared everybody with the a.i.d.s.
and even the loosest girls, became bornagain virgins.. |
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rebeldryver
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There is nothing wrong with digital recordings, Eagle. The problem came when they transferred vinyl recordings to digital and screwed it up. Back then the songs were produced for vinyl and how it sounds. I believe that the stuff they transferred came out tinny and flat compared to the richness of the original recordings. The techs that did the work needs to have their ears replaced.
The producers of music made today know their medium and do it well.
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bowtie6872
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| rebeldryver wrote: | There is nothing wrong with digital recordings, Eagle. The problem came when they transferred vinyl recordings to digital and screwed it up. Back then the songs were produced for vinyl and how it sounds. I believe that the stuff they transferred came out tinny and flat compared to the richness of the original recordings. The techs that did the work needs to have their ears replaced.
The producers of music made today know their medium and do it well. |
the issue with digital recordings is the db headroom..
the anolog recordings had 20 db range.. meaning the recording will sound like a live show, cause the cymbal crash is a chash, not just a sound that blends into the rest of the sounds..
joe stach surf with aliens had a 16 db headroom in digital..
but it is not the norm..
the norm is to make the cd as loud (db) as possable.. and when you do this you limit the db "range" and kill the headroom and the "live feel"
with the advent of the ipod and compressed music..
the mixers and master(ers) are not even try'n, knowing their work will be compressed into a very limiting mp3 file..
the need to turn the db level on c/d's in the recording stage is pointless as highwattage playback is the norm ,unlike the old days when hifi systems were 20 watts total per channel..
even the channel seperation is lacking..
they might as well record it in mono..
also, to fit 60 minutes on a c/d the music is compressed..
the players are at fault also.. most players have very cheap d/a converters that have a low sample'n rate..
when looking at a c/d player the digital to anolog converter(d/a converter)
is the most important part..
you get what you payfor..
your 50 buck c/d players d/a converter, is nothing like a highend 1 bit d/a converters or better |
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spidergearsman
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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in the eighties , an 8 ball of coke got you some the hottest chicks you ever saw
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bowtie6872
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| spidergearsman wrote: | | in the eighties , an 8 ball of coke got you some the hottest chicks you ever saw |
no thanks,, you can keep the coke whores |
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spidergearsman
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they even had em by you ... coke whores reeking of pot , booze , other dudes and aqua net
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dieselgeek
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| bowtie6872 wrote: |
the issue with digital recordings is the db headroom..
the anolog recordings had 20 db range.. meaning the recording will sound like a live show, cause the cymbal crash is a chash, not just a sound that blends into the rest of the sounds..
joe stach surf with aliens had a 16 db headroom in digital..
but it is not the norm..
the norm is to make the cd as loud (db) as possable.. and when you do this you limit the db "range" and kill the headroom and the "live feel"
with the advent of the ipod and compressed music..
the mixers and master(ers) are not even try'n, knowing their work will be compressed into a very limiting mp3 file..
the need to turn the db level on c/d's in the recording stage is pointless as highwattage playback is the norm ,unlike the old days when hifi systems were 20 watts total per channel..
even the channel seperation is lacking..
they might as well record it in mono..
also, to fit 60 minutes on a c/d the music is compressed..
the players are at fault also.. most players have very cheap d/a converters that have a low sample'n rate..
when looking at a c/d player the digital to anolog converter(d/a converter)
is the most important part..
you get what you payfor..
your 50 buck c/d players d/a converter, is nothing like a highend 1 bit d/a converters or better |
20 decibel headroom? do you know what a decibel is???
You're confusing sampling rate, bit depth, and *dynamic compression* - let me help you get this more clear.
Audio recordings start off with around 80-100 decibels of headroom. A decibel is a measurement of sonic pressure, or "volume" in laymen's terms (sort of).
The issue you are talking about where CDs have no dynamic range, is because they're "over compressed" dynamically (not digitally). That means, quiet portions of the recording are jacked up in volume by devices (either digital or analog) that *compress* the dynamic range. once this is done, there's always ZERO decibels of headroom left within the dynamic range of a CD. Some CDs that aren't compressed as heavily, like Satriani's CDs (known for their audiophile quality, yes), stil have ZERO decibels of headroom (meaning, the loudest peaks are set to *zero* by the mastering engineer), but the AVERAGE dynamic range is less. That is what you were trying to get across.
Let me know if you want me to explain sampling rate and bit depth of CD. Recent tests show that 16-bit, 44.1kHZ depth and sampling rate can't be discerend from "high def" 24-bit 96khz recordings by even the most trained ears so, what Rebeldryver said is EXACTLY correct. The whole problem with early CD quality was the fact that mastering engineers did not understand sampling/depth maximums and didn't make maximum use of the dynamic range available to them. Back in the day, when guys were mastering Vinyl records, they had to stay very low volume on the lower frequencies because lots of "bass" would cause the needle to bounce out of the groove. They also had to be careful to keep stereo recordings "nearly mono" because differences from left to right would cause the needle to jump out of the groove on an album.
Alan Parson's work on Dark Side of The Moon is an example of the greatest engineering and mastering done in the days of analog when music was destined for vinyl records.
Don't get me started, if you think I'm nuts about EFI, remember that I've been playing and recording music for nearly 30 years... |
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The Toad
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I couldn't find anything
Then I changed my topic to Why celebrities whouldn't be trusted with politics
now I am doing why it was so much easier to be successful up until the late 70s
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